CyberTech Rambler

April 3, 2007

I’m dissapointed, Mr Brian Jones (Updated 5 April)

Filed under: Uncategorized — ctrambler @ 2:15 pm

[Updated 5 Apr: Please note that Brian Jone’s had commented to this post in the comment section]

I blogged before that I will be disappointed if Brian Jones announce ISO adopting Open XML for fast track process on his blog if he did not post anything about the National Bodies Response first. Guess what? He just did it.

I am disappointed because, as a Open XML evangelist, he did not find it necessary even to mention in passing, what the National Bodies Response are. He can disagree with all of them and to dismiss them as completely irrelevant if he so choose. It is true that the concerns and praises raised by National bodies had been covered on his blog before. However, not mentioning them is probably the wrong way to go. At best, skeptics will say it confirm that the responses are so bad that he decided to bury it.

And I stand by what I said in the blog entry when I said that I will be treating his blog as simply a “fair weather/Good News only” blog site for OpenXML. That does not, however, mean that his blog is of no value. It simply mean that he does not aim to give you the whole picture, only the good part.



  1. ctrambler,
    I wanted to discuss the national bodies responses, but they are not posted anywhere publicly yet. That’s why my post about the ISO adpotion was just a short post. I’m hoping that at some point Ecma, ISO, or even on of the bodies will post them publicly so I could then discuss each one individually.

    I’ve actually read them all as part of the process we went through with Ecma to write up the response. Until they are publicly posted though, I don’t feel it would be appropriate for me to blog about them. Do you think this is the wrong approach?


    Comment by Brian Jones — April 5, 2007 @ 1:33 am | Reply

  2. Dear Brian,

    I don’t know whether this satisfy your definition of ECMA/ISO publishing National Bodies Response but there is a document by ECMA to ISO in response to the National Bodies Response which was available for at least one month now. See According to the article, at least Andy Updegrove (buried somewhere in the comment by Admin (updegrove)) and ComputerWorld reports about its posting.

    National Bodies Response is tagged at the back of the main document. As it is an ECMA document, not ISO, I am not sure whether they are published verbatim or condensed by ECMA. I am not sure of ISO process requirement but will not be surprise if they treat National Bodies Response confidential to encourage free exchange of idea.


    Comment by ctrambler — April 5, 2007 @ 9:55 am | Reply

  3. The official Ecma response is up here:

    I’m not sure if the groklaw document is the same, but it probably is. The document contains a roll-up of the responses from the individual countries, but doesn’t have the actual documents. I think those will eventually get posted too though, and I wasn’t going to talk about any specific countries replies until that’s done.

    I’d already blogged about the Ecma response, and as part of the Ecma technical committee I was heavily involved in the work that went in to pulling that together. Was that what you were hoping I’d blog about?


    Comment by Brian Jones — April 6, 2007 @ 4:59 pm | Reply

  4. Dear Brian

    I’d already blogged about the Ecma response,

    Can you point me to the post please?


    Comment by ctrambler — April 10, 2007 @ 11:24 am | Reply

  5. Dear Brian,

    It appears that National Body comment had been posted on

    This came as a bit of a surprise, as I thought what we had was all the the JTC is disclosing. I expected ISO to be rather slow in making document public, but two and a half months??

    Comment by ctrambler — April 16, 2007 @ 3:15 pm | Reply

  6. […] reply to my previous post, Mr Jones says he will blog about National Bodies comments when it become available, so lets wait […]

    Pingback by National Bodies Comments Are Not That Bad « CyberTech Rambler — April 17, 2007 @ 8:22 am | Reply

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